Reps or Gens - Reasoning

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02-01-2019, 10:24 PM
daytonadragon

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

Most of the real "hypercard" appreciate instead of depreciate . Especially with all these electric cars coming out the collectors are buying up all of the great gasoline guzzling cars. Its a good time to buy some of these cars. You basically get to drive them for free or actually make money driving them

Which "hypercars" are you referring to?
02-01-2019, 10:28 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by daytonadragon

Which "hypercars" are you referring to?

LaFerrari, Pagani Huayra, Koeningsegg Agera RS1 and other, comparable cars, i assume. Possibly even the Bugatti Chiron.
02-02-2019, 07:17 PM
breitlingwatch

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Originally Posted by JMS1988

LaFerrari, Pagani Huayra, Koeningsegg Agera RS1 and other, comparable cars, i assume. Possibly even the Bugatti Chiron.

Yup. Anyone who was lucky enough to buy these types at retail has made a ton of money on them.
02-02-2019, 08:13 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

Yup. Anyone who was lucky enough to buy these types at retail has made a ton of money on them.

Yes. The Koeningsegg Agera RS1 had an extraordinary price increase. I don't whether current supercar prices are an effect of a certain bubble or not, truth to be said they went up quite a bit. All of them. Even the pedestrian 360s stopped depreciating and bottomed out close to the $70.000 mark. Pretty good residuals compared to, say, luxury sedans.
02-02-2019, 08:21 PM
breitlingwatch

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Originally Posted by JMS1988

Yes. The Koeningsegg Agera RS1 had an extraordinary price increase. I don't whether current supercar prices are an effect of a certain bubble or not, truth to be said they went up quite a bit. All of them. Even the pedestrian 360s stopped depreciating and bottomed out close to the $70.000 mark. Pretty good residuals compared to, say, luxury sedans.

Yup. Were definitely in a bit of a bubble. You see it in the watch world as well. It will eventually burst but I don't think the decrease will be dramatic
02-02-2019, 08:32 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

Yup. Were definitely in a bit of a bubble. You see it in the watch world as well. It will eventually burst but I don't think the decrease will be dramatic

The conclusion is, if you want to buy an expensive car at this point in time, make it a big, opulent barge. They tank in value to the point of being half-free. Some of them have lost 90% of their original value in 10-12 years. Rolls-Royce Phantom has lost quite a bit less percentage-wise but now they've started to fall since Phantom VIII was introduced. Half of the used Phantom's price buys its biggest competitor, the original Maybach which is also undoubtedly the champion of depreciation in this segment... oh wait, make it "of all segments"
02-02-2019, 09:57 PM
breitlingwatch

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Originally Posted by JMS1988

The conclusion is, if you want to buy an expensive car at this point in time, make it a big, opulent barge. They tank in value to the point of being half-free. Some of them have lost 90% of their original value in 10-12 years. Rolls-Royce Phantom has lost quite a bit less percentage-wise but now they've started to fall since Phantom VIII was introduced. Half of the used Phantom's price buys its biggest competitor, the original Maybach which is also undoubtedly the champion of depreciation in this segment... oh wait, make it "of all segments"

Yea the thing is that once those cars start breaking the repairs are astronomical. Ideally id like to buy something like a 2016 hurucan or 458. Not as much electronic failure and the hurucan is all Audi parts. And some of the stuff can be diy
02-02-2019, 10:30 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

Yea the thing is that once those cars start breaking the repairs are astronomical. Ideally id like to buy something like a 2016 hurucan or 458. Not as much electronic failure and the hurucan is all Audi parts. And some of the stuff can be diy

I can assure you that repair costs on luxury cars are lower than on supercars. There's way less stress on the components and these days all luxury cars share parts with their mother companies. Bentley Flying Spur is essentially a VW Phaeton underneath. Rolls Phantom takes certain parts from E46 BMW. Maybach is based on a W220 S600 so quite a few things are interchangeable. Those which are not... well, may God have mercy on your soul.

They will never be cheap to maintain but they're certainly more DIY-friendly than supercars. This being said, 458 and Huracan are some great choices. Wait a few years for the bubble to burst and prices to drop a little bit and then get a pre-loved example. 458 is one of the nicest Ferraris out there, even though i personally prefer the older F430
02-02-2019, 10:51 PM
Johng1122

I guess this became a luxury rep car debate lol
02-02-2019, 11:56 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by Johng1122

I guess this became a luxury rep car debate lol

Now there, we're talking gen luxury cars :lol:
02-03-2019, 12:29 AM
daytonadragon

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Originally Posted by Johng1122

I guess this became a luxury rep car debate lol

Is is a much a better topic than who has the best sub.
02-03-2019, 01:15 AM
breitlingwatch

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Originally Posted by daytonadragon

Is is a much a better topic than who has the best sub.

I don't know what's worse. Who has the best sub or who has the best day date
02-03-2019, 01:31 AM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

I don't know what's worse. Who has the best sub or who has the best day date

Well, there are several threads about the best Sub replica and every new version is released a new thread is started. Day-Dates don't get half of this coverage, especially the 36mm versions. I wasn't aware of the massive improvements BP did to the 36mm version until i saw it on Trusty's website, that's how obscure the knowledge about Day-Dates is. Most discussion i had over the 36mm DDs were, ironically, in sales threads
02-03-2019, 02:18 AM
Johng1122

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Originally Posted by daytonadragon

Is is a much a better topic than who has the best sub.

Glad I could help then lol more of a DJ man maself lol
02-04-2019, 05:00 AM
breitlingwatch

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Originally Posted by JMS1988

Well, there are several threads about the best Sub replica and every new version is released a new thread is started. Day-Dates don't get half of this coverage, especially the 36mm versions. I wasn't aware of the massive improvements BP did to the 36mm version until i saw it on Trusty's website, that's how obscure the knowledge about Day-Dates is. Most discussion i had over the 36mm DDs were, ironically, in sales threads

Any reviews comparing the BP to a gen? I don't know much about the 36mm versions, only the 40mm and Day date II
02-04-2019, 06:00 AM
Cinque

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Originally Posted by JMS1988

As impressive as it is, it's completely senseless cost-wise. You'd have to budget $10k for a half-decent R230 Benz, then $22k for the external conversion kit, then $7.5k for the interior conversion which is necessary since it's a convertible and then spend even more actually putting it all together, plus the upkeep costs on the SL which, between the hydraulic ABC suspension and the extremely complicated SBC brakes (which BTW can be found on the hypercar SLR and the original W240 Maybach as well) won't be anywhere close to budget-friendly. You'd be looking at around $45.000 for the finished product. That's half the price of a genuine California and dangerously close to the price of a 360 Modena, for example.

Exactly how I feel about frankens.
02-04-2019, 01:06 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

Any reviews comparing the BP to a gen? I don't know much about the 36mm versions, only the 40mm and Day date II

None i know of, unfortunately. But we've talked about this earlier, you surely remember the link to a full gold wrapped $1288 Day-Date from Trusty i've sent you in a discussion under some sales thread. It does look fabulous, better than any 36mm 118xxx series DD rep i've ever seen. 18xxx series is a different story since there was TW Best few years back. But it's impossible to find nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Cinque

Exactly how I feel about frankens.

Understandable, however the difference is that a finished franken is extremely close to the real deal and offers exactly the same experience as a gen counterpart, whereas kit cars do not. And they don't even come close. Watches are just incomparably easier to make than cars, that's the sad reality. If you want to know my opinion, it all depends on the price of the gen. If you could get me a $10.000 super franken 3970 Patek then give me your PP and take my money already. If you want to sell me a $4500 Daytona 116520 franken, which take up for majority of super frankens, then thank you but i'll pass
02-04-2019, 04:39 PM
breitlingwatch

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Originally Posted by JMS1988

None i know of, unfortunately. But we've talked about this earlier, you surely remember the link to a full gold wrapped $1288 Day-Date from Trusty i've sent you in a discussion under some sales thread. It does look fabulous, better than any 36mm 118xxx series DD rep i've ever seen. 18xxx series is a different story since there was TW Best few years back. But it's impossible to find nowadays.

id really like to see a DD40 thats that good. the 36 is just too small for me
02-04-2019, 04:45 PM
JMS1988

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Originally Posted by breitlingwatch

id really like to see a DD40 thats that good. the 36 is just too small for me

I consider the 36mm Day-Date to be the perfect size. It's not really a matter of wrist size, more like a personal preference. Then again, i'm a big fan of everything classical and having an old-world charm.

The DD40 is sweet, though. Much better proportioned than the DD2, even though it's just a milimeter smaller.

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