Me And A Gun

lol - I'm actually against animal torture, however, not like those crazy PETA screw ups who think having pets is torturing animals. I happen to find animals very tasty BTW. :D

Kollektor your comment was well thought. :)

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Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Kollektor your comment was well thought. :)

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I second that! Well said kollektor! :cool:

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Originally Posted by bebenn

POSH'S NEXT POST:

"I am against animal torture, and you should be too!!!!!

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I am against animal torture. You don't mind animals being tortured?

Meat is murder!!!

lol

Yes, I should have read Collector's last post too. Concise, accurate and well written.

"Reactionary left wing politics." Perhaps we should appease them with a diplomatic gift of a LV travel bag. I'm sure that LV makes a bag big enough for a small nuclear device, maybe 1 kiloton..

I understand that Dear Leader, Kim Jong I1, is a big fan of the LV line. I can see it now, a Paris runway show with Dear Leader, parading down the runway, in fishnets and 5 inch pumps, sporting a large LV Cheap-as-**** leather bag, with a small nuclear device.

CNN's Christain Ammanor, is almost at full climaxe, "Oh my God, Kim Jong is swinging the LV Bag, back to you Anderson Cooper."

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Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Everything has the potential to kill...whether it be guns or Step ladders/slippery showers/electric toasters/hair dryer/Stairs cases/fruit cake/,etc.

Human life is fragile. All life is for that matter.

Besides guns these things would also kill if used for that purpose: A knife//large hands/big sticks/sharpened sticks/rocks/cars/pillows/high heeled shoes/heavy objects like candle sticks/frying pan/sculpture/hammer/rope/hard cover book/a towel/ plastic bag/Legos/rolled newspaper/CRT monitor/clipboard/wooden or metal chair, etc.

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The difference though is that guns only have ONE purpose,to kill,the rest have more then one purpose.

As for fruit cake,that depends on who's grandmother made it,it can have that same one purpose as well....:(

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Originally Posted by Posh

I am against animal torture. You don't mind animals being tortured?

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Posh,

I love animals too! But I have this acne problem, you know, on the ass and back:(

The ass is not that bad, as I can usually hide that until the "money shot", if you get my drift!

The whiteheads on the back are a different animal.... Nothing worse than taking home the latest Hooter's conquest, and having one of those pesky pimples shooting white puss everywhere!

But back to torturing animals, "I AM AGAINST IT."

I'm glad we agree here:)

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Originally Posted by bebenn

I understand that Dear Leader, Kim Jong I1, is a big fan of the LV line. I can see it now, a Paris runway show with Dear Leader, parading down the runway, in fishnets and 5 inch pumps, sporting a large LV Cheap-as-**** leather bag, with a small nuclear device.

CNN's Christain Ammanor, is almost at full climaxe, "Oh my God, Kim Jong is swinging the LV Bag, back to you Anderson Cooper."

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Wow. Where does stuff come from? And it's Christiane Amanpour.

Posh,
Do you have a watch?

If so, how about making one small post about it? Is it small, big, quartz or automatic?

If you don't know the difference between quartz or mechanical, how about spending some time in the search mode, before another post about the "Material Girl?"

She likes Madonna?....

I'm surprised there is the attention to these threads,BB...but there seems to be...

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Originally Posted by Dave123

The difference though is that guns only have ONE purpose,to kill,the rest have more then one purpose.

As for fruit cake,that depends on who's grandmother made it,it can have that same one purpose as well....:(

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Exceptions:

Starting Pistols

http://www.glenwoodhighschool.co.za/...gala2004_8.jpg

Water Gun:

http://www.claytonkendall.com/templa...ages/WG505.jpg

Paint Ball Gun:

http://www.ghi-online.co.uk/images/P...00_440x440.gif

We are in agreement on fruit cake..that is evil stuff.

Dave,

I just think that anybody active in our forum should have at least one post regarding watches.....

LV ****ty leather over-priced products should not count.

That first guy likely killed a bird,the water gun can drown ya and the paintball gun...well....is for idiot children,i hope parents know better....

Ya got me on the last one...;)

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Originally Posted by bebenn

Dave,

I just think that anybody active in our forum should have at least post regarding watches.....

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Agreed BB,i don't bother with these silly threads till they run long enough and i have to put in a couple goofball replies....like above...:)

Why bother with them bro?...

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Originally Posted by sfa437

Lets say someone like me, with my degree of training was determined to kill you- even without a firearm. Let's say a knife, or even less offensive- a baseball bat. What is the best response?

Call the police- I've turned your head into a canoe before you hit the last "1" in 911

Run- I routinely do 5:30 miles and can sprint quite well. You [might] get away if you're lucky and I'm tired

Back up 4 quick steps and draw a firearm- The sight of the firearm backs me off, and if it doesn't two center of mass and one cranio-ocular tops me. In addition reaction gaps favor the intial move, so you drawing the weapon is completed before I can backswing.




The FBI UCR (Uniform Crime Report) for 2006 shows the defensive usage of firearms 1,188,607 times (reported to local PD). According to you- over 1.2 million people died in the US last year from shooting family members. Laughable. Do some research prior to spouting off statistics and BTW Dr. Trent Lott has completely discredited the study from which that piece of rhetoric came from and the authors themselves have apologized and said their research was designed to produce a certain result.




Ah- so the 1st Amendment should only apply to a moveable typeface printing press and quill pens. Plus the 4th and 6th should only apply to your actual person and home, allowing warrantless searches of you e-mail and interception of telephone conversations. None of those were around when the Constitution was framed (please note capitalization of Constitution). In addition a chemical weapon is regulated by international treaties and is an indiscrimate weapon similar to explosive devices. "Arms" in the frame of the Constitution were weapons commonly employed by civilian infantry raised in time of war. Rifles and handguns predominantly but a shotgun showed up on occasion.

As a side note the word "regulated" does NOT mean Federally controlled. The word in the 1700's meant drilled or trained.




So we do not have thieves, kidnappers, rapists and murderers in the United States? Thank GOD! All the cops can go home and we'll all sit around sipping decaf vente vanilla chais at Starbucks and share a group hug! Hallelujah- Paradise on Earth- right in downtown Washington DC (oh wait can't go there after dark- wonder why since we have no murderers, kidnappers or rapists).

I was a cop for 13 years and the best thing going is an armed populace. Even Colin Ferguson stated he chose NY to go on a rampage because he KNEW nobody would have a firearm and be able to stop him. My wife carries a .38 Airweight and I feel better knowing she does. I will never subscribe to a theory that says it is perfectly OK for a 110 pound woman to fistfight a 280 pound rapist.




Well since more people are killed yearly with blunt instruments than with firearms- nobody should have one. Sorry Home Depot and Louisville Slugger. More people are manually killed each year than with erroneously named "assault weapons" so nobody should have hands and feet. Well just the police and the Army- they're the only ones who really need them.

In a perfect world, there would be no use for a firearm for defensive purposes. We do not however live in a perfect world. I've seen depravity in the States that outshines what I see here in Iraq. Most of that is fueled by drugs with the occasional true sicko tossed in the mix. Making a firearm illegal does absolutely nothing. Dope is illegal yet I can get whatever I want less than 30 min from my front door. I'd rather not fistfight the crackhead with the knife, or even the crackhead with a gun. I can out-think, out-move and out-shoot 90% of the population. I simply refuse to throw myself on the mercy of those who have none.

While I love Posh to death- I am glad, TRULY glad, she has not had to face the harsh realities of what people do to each other and I pray she never does.

Some of us (Anubis, Guacano and Novesh for example) have seen it up close and personal. I've seen mass graves and smelled that smell that lives inside you forever. I've seen entire families killed by a single intruder and dealt with the aftermath of a home invasion gang rape; but I have also seen a dead skell in a hallway with a scared citizen holding a firearm. I know which way I'd rather have an incident work out.

As for my child, I would rather him be EDUCATED about firearms, to know their inherent destructive power and that people don't respawn after a .45 to the dome like in Call of Duty. I want him to look at a firearm as a tool and not something "cool" to be f**ked with when a parent or adult is not around. I want him to know that if someone is playing with a gun or finds one, he should leave the area, find an adult and tell them what is going on. Education trumps ignorance every.... single.... last.... time.... period.

I want my wife to know she won't have to wait 3-5 minutes for the cops to show up if someone kicks in the front door, she can deal with the situation immediately.

Again I prefer not to have my family dependant on mercy from those who have none.

I do however respect her point of view and her decision to not own a firearm is hers and hers alone. I just do not wish for others to force a false worldview of this supposed peace, love and farfegnugen that we supposedly have in the US. Reality intrudes on my life quite a bit and I will choose to carry or not to carry a weapon myself- it is not anyone's place to choose FOR me.

"Si vis pacem, para bellum" Those who wish peace prepare for war. Just as valid now as it was 2000 years ago. I've seen organized war and random civilian violence up close and personal. I have taken life in defense of myself and others not just here but in the States.

It is in NO way pretty, or full of glory or to be crowed about over drinks. It is a deeply moving event. It wasn't fun, or a "rush".

All in all, I am glad I was armed at the time because if I was not, I would not be here typing and my wife would be a widow and my son without a father.

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How is the Canadian dollar? We are sucking hind tit down here...

Dropping bad...

As oil drops,so does our dollar...

Cheaper gas though,we are now paying only $4.50 a gallon?....nice?...:(

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Originally Posted by Dave123

Dropping bad...

As oil drops,so does our dollar...

Cheaper gas though,we are now paying only $4.50 a gallon?....nice?...:(

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$3.35 a gallon today in atlanta. Maybe Posh has a solution to the problem?

Ohh crap.. I just looked at the CAD - USD conversion... I bought my B&R from a Canuck a few weeks ago.. wish the deal would have been today :(

Gas is down to $3.45 'round these parts. Amazing that prices like that look decent these days.

Invade Canada and take our oil?...:(

Ah,we would kick your butts anyway.....can't beat em in the sand,the frozen tundra would kill ya...;)

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Originally Posted by swissaddict

Ohh crap.. I just looked at the CAD - USD conversion... I bought my B&R from a Canuck a few weeks ago.. wish the deal would have been today :(

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Going right down the toilet,the financial mess you guys have started prompted the G7 to make a big rate cut,though our banking system is the only one in the world in good shape....and that move along with oil prices have made our dollar go down....thanks alot....:mad:

Oh well,good for exports....:)

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Originally Posted by Dave123

The difference though is that guns only have ONE purpose,to kill,.....

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This is just simply not a true statement.

No they save lives.

Guns are for law enforcement,thats it,these pieces of garbage flooding over our border are causing a real problem here,every yahoo with no money seems to have a gun now,bunch of losers....and are killing people daily,never use to be this way here,really something to condone,i have no idea whats wrong with you nutbars and your guns,i wish you would keep them in your kids closet and not in my country though.

Anyway,this is a watch forum..:)

really guys... I live right near NY and paid $2.84/gal today to fill up.

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Originally Posted by LoganX3

really guys... I live right near NY and paid $2.84/gal today to fill up.

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Must be nice....:rolleyes:

We supply the stuff and still pay more....:mad:

The CAD is so sensitive to commodity markets in general (not just oil).. but if/when commodities bounce back up from the recent lows, the CAD will go back up.. In the mean time, mac n' cheese, hey? ;) ps: sorry my country is full of greedy irresponsible idiots who are contributing so much to the destruction of the world. Some of us are good people, I swear!

Mac and cheese?..i was gen shopping all day today my friend,only ended up with a bag for the wife though,figures...:(

The bit about the commodity markets is true though indeed,i'm in a bulletproof home services industry,so matters not to me,don't even follow the markets...

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Originally Posted by Kollektor

+1 Guan.

Western humanism is all fine and dandy in the civilized ivory towers of liberal academia, but when frenzied religious zealots are firing 7.62s at you, Darwinism starts to make a bit more sense. Easy to judge when you don't have direct interface with fundamentalists.

Whether it's nature, nurture or both, human beings are capable of evil. Of course, every group justifies its own actions as moral. There's a famous saying... "The path of a fool is right in his own eyes." As long as terrorists will resort to guerrilla warfare by embedding themselves in civilian populations (that are often supportive of these fighters, I might add), there will be collateral damage.

If anybody has any other pragmatic solutions to this dilemma, you'll get my vote.

@Posh - being "anti-war" is commendable as an ideal. But as a movement, it's indicative of Reactionary Left politics. We should avoid war when there is room for effective diplomacy. But when there are no other options are you really saying you're opposed to war? That, in my view, supports evil. If war was not an option, evil would impose itself upon us. Whether it's Hitler, Chavez, bin Ladin, Iran, Russia, or other tyrannical regimes, you would not have the luxury to pontificate about being anti-war... without suffering the consequences.

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Bravo my good man!! Well said.

ready for the bin! :highjacked: :lol:

Wow I come home from work to find this thread! There are some amazing truths to be seen in this thread. It would apear that those that live in large cities on the east coast or west coast don't think that any of us that live in between them could possible have a legitimate use for a firearm.
How about shooting coyotes that are running rampant through my neighborhood eating cats and small dogs? Is that a legit use?

How about protecting my children from cougar attacks when I take them out camping. Yes people in the USA are attacked by cougars and black bear.

How about growing up on a cattle ranch in Nebraska and having to shoot coyotes that were eating our calves in the spring? Is that legit?

How about when someone is trying to break into my house and I call 911 and they tell me it will be about 45 minutes until a police officer can arrive because that is how far out the closest officer is.

I have lived and been in all these and more "legit" reasons for gun ownership. Before the left coast and the right coast talk about America and maybe they should actually visit it sometime.

I live in Philadelphia, a large East Coast city. I own a few guns that I regularly shoot.

Where's your argument now?

Allow me to demonstrate something incredibly funny about plenary or absolutist statements.

It only takes 1 contrary case to turn them to dust. ;)

Regards,

A

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Originally Posted by rattlerviper

It would apear that those that live in large cities on the east coast or west coast don't think that any of us that live in between them could possible have a legitimate use for a firearm.

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ok, I've come to the conclusion that there's only one way to settle all of this.

We all go down to the range.
10 shots each, best score wins.

Either that... or a dance off. :partydj:

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Originally Posted by Anubis

I live in Philadelphia, a large East Coast city. I own a few guns that I regularly shoot.

Where's your argument now?

Allow me to demonstrate something incredibly funny about plenary or absolutist statements.

It only takes 1 contrary case to turn them to dust. ;)

Regards,

A

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Your 100% right...Though I didn't mean my statement as a absolute. It's also clear that it came out as a 100% absolute. (This forum does not have a spell check does it?).

Anyhow I'm better now! I actually went and read about some watches and feel much better...Generally when I want to talk guns I go to a gun forum...And I just don't talk politics for the most part.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by LoganX3

ok, I've come to the conclusion that there's only one way to settle all of this.

We all go down to the range.
10 shots each, best score wins.

Either that... or a dance off. :partydj:

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I put my GB on LifterCatcher...

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Originally Posted by rattlerviper

Generally when I want to talk guns I go to a gun forum...

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good point...

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Originally Posted by rattlerviper

...And I just don't talk politics for the most part.

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Sage advice!

Our world is currently in bad shape. But I also think things are in a very big change as far as this planet evolving to a higher level.

In 30 years dont say I didnt tell you so.

BIG changes are coming.

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Originally Posted by $~mLuMaN83~$

Our world is currently in bad shape. But I also think things are in a very big change as far as this planet evolving to a higher level.

In 30 years dont say I didnt tell you so.

BIG changes are coming.

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One direction or another luman yes change is coming. I must say the cards are already stacking in one direction.