Me And A Gun

[Posh]

We were taught 1st hand the danger of guns, what they should be used for ONLY and why.

What are they ONLY for exactly and why? That's my question to you.

I respect your opinion, but I have issue with this post because this is a watch forum. Not a social commentary forum, not a weapons forum, not a creepy artist forum, not a manbag forum. This is a watch forum.

I'll be the first to admit, in the past, I posted a few threads regarding off - topic subjects that I found interesting. However, what I realized, is that they were annoying. Although, well received, they were annoying because this is a watch forum.

I believe that we're surrounded by enough ****e on a daily basis. I don't want to visit the forum dedicated to my beloved hobby and see photos of kids holding weapons. That's not what this forum should be about.

This is a watch forum. Kyle

Thank you for respecting my stance on guns. Um, my section is about all things replica, as can clearly seen. I've talked about bags, cars, watches, shoes, clothes, travel, art, philanthropy AND my own thoughts and opinions, if feel like expressing them. Everyone is welcome to provide a counterpoint on or support of these opinions; I won't censor anybody because I don't like them or what they say. You probably were not here when I did a post to let people know what the section was for and what it would contain. Posh's section is exchange for ideas and learning.

Due to the largess of the site principals, I was given a great deal of latitude in what topics I wanted to present to the RG readers. If you don't like my social, education, art, relationship, etcetera commentary, by all means ignore it and focus on the replica topics. Or just ignore the whole section completely; that is the beauty of free will.

Nobody's putting a GUN to your head and telling you to read my articles.

I don't mind the images, either.

However, I feel compelled to note that Tori, despite the name of her song, was not held at gun point. She was threatened and held against her will with a knife.

Thanks you for clarifying. She has said that at that time she thought he had a gun when he threatened her until he produced the knife. After the event, she dreamt that it was a number of different weapons, including a gun, which is why she brings a number of weapons, real weapons including a real gun, into the performance of that song as Pip. Seeing Thelma & Louise, writing the song and afterward having sexual assualt victims tell her about their experiences at the end of guns and her position on guns, she has felt the title to be apt.

That's in part why I used the picture of her with the knife instead with other weapons.

More children robbed of childhood

It all depends on what you see as upsetting based on your value system.

Just stirring the pot. . .

(Stir. . .Stir. . .Stir. . .)

Guns make you feel powerful and for people with no power whatsoever, it can be a rush, even if you don't use the item in question for deciding if someone can can continue to live. The psychological component of being around a gun, holding gun, pointing a gun at something or someone, cannot be ignored. I held a $100,00 Purdey rifle in England which in addition to being as beautiful as any sculpture I've seen was also deadly. I find it very difficult to see a piece of art that also doubles as a thing that destroys a life; art was never meant for one living creature to kill another living creature.

If you're a weak, disenfranchised, ineffectual or scared person, having a gun, which gives you the ultimate power, which is the power over life and death, is a feeling that a lot of people actuallyy enjoy. That's scary to me. I would think hard before being around someone who enjoys owning lots of guns, holding guns, shooting guns and all that. I'm automatically wary of that person, which I don't forsee changing. And I don't mean an adult who sharpshoots or clay shoots; those people aren't shooting living things.

There is NO real need for any person in the civilized, Western world to know how to shoot or even own a gun. Let's be real, no one needs one. If you're not in the military, what's the reason? To shoot deer so they won't die? Because that's the argument you hear with hunters, the fact that deer won't have food because there will be too many of them going after what's available for them. We kill them so they won't die. I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Also, nobody in the Western world is going rise up against the government so you can take that out of the equation. The government has done plenty of things to plenty of people in America and everybody sat on their hands took it.

I rushed him but I was sure to ask my friend to give me pictures from all over the world, every country is represented and I actually augmented the photos just now. I didn't have time to put them all in last night. So it's not just "infidel haters," it's every country in the world showing children having fun with real guns and fake guns, but you can't be sure who has the real guns and who has the fakes ones. This could easily be about parents but I'm talking about parents because some don't have any due to war or other variables. I guess you could say this is a photo essay of children, which embody life, hope and happiness, with guns, which embody death, destruction and despair.

A child should not have to think about their own mortality. I'm sure most kids wouldn't think about guns unless some adult, or adult-produced form of media, got them to think about it. Kids want to play with their friends an have fun, not learn to shoot or "respect" a Stayr-AUG. Children need to be children.

[Posh]

Is it just me or are about half of these pictures of children with TOY guns? That seems a little deceptive to mix them in like that. It would be like putting pictures of little girls with realistic looking dolls in an article about teen pregnancy. The talk about child soldiers like its a new concept is also deceptive, children have been fighting wars since they were invented. Its sucks, but all war sucks for everyone who is involved. Argue to end wars all together, not to make them more civilized or more tolerable by putting in "rules". The more horrible and terrible a war is and the more people who know about it the less likely we are to do it again.

That being said I will put out there that I think private gun ownership in the US should be illegal. There is just no reason for it. You are far more likely to kill yourself or a loved one then to defend your home. The argument about the constitution is just silly, its says "the right to bear arms" which does not mean the right to own any weapon I want and carry it when ever I want. I am an engineer and know how to make chemical weapons but I don't think anyone is comfortable with that. As for letting the kids use the guns I don't let my kids use the table saw and its a lot less dangerous then the 12 Gauge.

The developing world is another story, people there live by a set of rules so different then what we know in the US. Having to kill an animal so it doesn't eat your children is a reality in some parts of the world. Pirates, kidnappers, thieves, rapists, and murders who work with or sometimes for the police are real concepts in the developing world. Teaching a child to shoot in that world makes sense. Us judging those people for doing that and casting a disgusted look at the father teaching his kid to shoot in that world seems a little pompous and arrogant to me. That's why people in those countries hate Americans. We judge them and look down on them and don't understand them or their lives at all.

You know what? You make a terribly good point here. If a child needs to use a weapon in Darfur to keep keep herself or family members safe from "cleansed" or sexually assaulted, I would say go for it. But you run up against raiders who are many with better and more guns. But I do see what you mean here. I just wants kids to be able to be kids without having to deal adult realities. That's just what I feel.

There's plenty of time for gun play when you're an adult; Uncle Sam (and some mercenary companies) are giving people the chance to take the lives of other people with guns if they want it. So why not wait a few years?

[painm8ker]

I just wants kids to be able to be kids without having to deal adult realities. That's just what I feel.

There's plenty of time for gun play when you're an adult; Uncle Sam (and some mercenary companies) are giving people the chance to take the lives of other people with guns if they want it. So why not wait a few years?

Lets hope some day we live in a world where this is possible. 2/3 of the world lives in such a way that it isn't. In another thread you posted that "money is the great equalizer" in the super safe developed world that true. For the other 2/3 of the worlds population guns are. To your point about the bad guys being better armed and many, I suggest that the part of helpless victim while possibly safer is not preferable to many and not something a child should have to endure either.

Your spot on about the US and developed world though, having a gun here around children is just irresponsible.

[SFA437]

Your spot on about the US and developed world though, having a gun here around children is just irresponsible.

I don't get why you think ignorance is better than education.....

[Guanaco]

What are they ONLY for exactly and why? That's my question to you.

Self defense of course [aka protection], target practice and hunting. What do you think I was gonna say? Shoot everyone I can see?

[The_Monkey]

Guns make you feel powerful and for people with no power whatsoever, it can be a rush, even if you don't use the item in question for deciding if someone can can continue to live. The psychological component of being around a gun, holding gun, pointing a gun at something or someone, cannot be ignored. I held a $100,00 Purdey rifle in England which in addition to being as beautiful as any sculpture I've seen was also deadly. I find it very difficult to see a piece of art that also doubles as a thing that destroys a life; art was never meant for one living creature to kill another living creature.

If you're a weak, disenfranchised, ineffectual or scared person, having a gun, which gives you the ultimate power, which is the power over life and death, is a feeling that a lot of people actuallyy enjoy. That's scary to me. I would think hard before being around someone who enjoys owning lots of guns, holding guns, shooting guns and all that. I'm automatically wary of that person, which I don't forsee changing. And I don't mean an adult who sharpshoots or clay shoots; those people aren't shooting living things.

These feelings of power are the very reason kids should be educated about guns when they are young, so that they understand that while a firearm gives them a lot of potential power they also carry heavy consequences for misuse.

One of my dad's friends has a Class III license, so he can legally own just about anything... I've gone out shooting with him, the only gun he's ever handed me that I got any sort of "rush" from, just holding it, was a Thompson, and that was more of a "holy sh*t, I'm holding the same kind of gun as Al Capone" type thing. I've gotten to shoot MP5s, AKS 74s, M-16A1s (fully automatic as apposed to 3 round burst), even an M2... I'd be lying if I said it wasn't fun to pump rounds into an empty hillside, but I never had any feeling of power, and I have a feeling if it wasn't such a rare thing to be able to do that, it wouldn't even be fun. The reason is I've been brought up around guns, they're a necessary fact of life on a farm (use 'em to shoot ground squirrels who chew through irrigation lines, buggers cause a metric sh*t ton of damage), and I know the consequences of using them against other people... if you exercise that power that a gun grants you, chances are things aren't going to work out well for you.