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    Quote Originally Posted by Posh View Post

    Really hot, huh? Exactly how hot are you? Why is that men never look at the merchandise THEY'RE trying to move?
    Fact:
    Women don't care about the physical attractiveness of a man as much as men care about the physical attractiveness of a women.

    That doesn't mean a man can be messy or whatnot with what he wears or his facial hair or whatnot, but generally he does not need to be looking like he is a body type from a magazine in order to get with a women who is likewise.


    Quote Originally Posted by roflwaffle View Post
    well.. i dont wnat to stick up for the guy, since i dont know what his respsone was, but

    tbh, no matter how it was delivered 'oh thats nice' regardless of how delivered, with nothing else given... gives the message of 'who cares, not interested'

    i mean 'oh thats nice' followed by *anything* that is related to the subject, thats fine

    but just oh tahts nice, then just let it drop...

    for some people, that might just naturally come off as a big screw you


    'hey what do you do'
    'im the president of the US'
    'oh thats nice!' (given with due respect)
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    'thats all you have to say? nothing else? are you shallow? show *some* freaking reaction.. good or otherwise.. pleas for the love of christ have a real opinion... anything... just say something'

    ...

    but thats just me.. 'oh thats nice' is a dismissive comment no matter how you look at it, if not followed by anything else

    even if not intended as such..

    i mean.. ladies.. show some interest.. something.. it was a line intended as sparking *some* conversatino.. not some precanned nothing response..
    Why should ladies show interest if they are actually not? that is the problem with the dating world from both sexes, being too nice. Thats how you go out, meet a girl who you think is into you, then find out she doesn't like you much and go home alone. Just because she was too nice to tell you off.

    I mean usually jobs are not interesting, plain and simple. And usually a job is not your life, and if it is, your probably pretty boring (***or you have an awesome job!).

    In social situations, especially interactions with the opposite sex, it is best to steer away from the typical banter. If your talking about your job, how can you expect any reaction other then "oh, thats nice...." Plus, it is more fun to leave it a mystery, it gives her something to wonder about and investigate.

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    Old thread is old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archronos View Post
    The woman in question in the original post is actually very accomplished and works for T. Rowe Price making almost six figures. She, and a lot of my girlfriends who all have high income careers, are not trying to hitch their wagon to any man. Even my stripper/high class hooker friends are taking care of themselves. In almost every case that I know of in my social circles, the men are running after us. I see it every time we go out and every time we get together for parties. If the girl doesn't already have a man (and sometimes even if she does ), there's a dude trying to get with them. Most are financially stable and some just plain are not.

    This is the best time to be a woman in the world because we're getting better jobs, better educations and have greater opportunities to be everything we want to be anywhere we to be it. And some have speculated that all this is to the detriment of men, which I can somewhat see. I mean, I have several girlfriends who plan on having babies BY THEMSELVES and one who already does. I see this as at once liberating but also indicative of something else. Is it the quality of the men that has declined? I don't even pretend to know.

    I do know this: 100 years ago, for the most part, we wouldn't have had any choice but to marry who could offer us the type of life we wanted for ourselves AND our children. That has changed COMPLETELY. We can now, as statistics in industrialized nations worldwide show, do everything on our own. This is both a good and bad thing, I think, sociologically. Men need women, even though you may not like us all the time, and we want you (even though we really don't need you ).


    But here again you're working on the same set of assumptions. You are assuming that these men running after these women want the same thing that women want. If a man wants to get laid, all he has to do is "run after" as many girls as he can get through in a night until he "wins" one. You might interpret this as being the result of some infatuation or true desire to be with a particular individual with a particular set of characteristics (educated, "high salary", etc), but men tend to set very short term goals with women through their 20s and 30s, and it's more likely that any particular man chatting up a party of girls is looking for one particular feature that is common to all of them. It is also kind of odd that the more educated, and better paid a woman is, the less desireable she seems to be to most men. This is something I don't really understand, but it probably has to do with the evolution of our political system, and cultural values in response changes in the structure of the economy in the last century. Salesmen use the same tactic, pitch as many people as you can, and you will eventually get a response. In this case, you only need 1 win (although 2 or 3 would be nice too), so it's best to proposition as many women as you can until you get your win, and go home. The situation resembles a very basic game theory model.

    I know 100k sounds like a lot in some parts of the country, but around Washington it really isn't. Most of the people that I know (I refuse to call it a social circle) are earning nearly 100k, are in their mid 20s, work in places like the White House, the Hill, Booz, Accenture, IBM, FBR, McKinsey, AT Kearney, government agencies, Sidley Austin, lobbying, etc, and there aren't that many of us that feel that marrying somebody else that makes 100k is going to actually make any of us truly wealthy, or even wealthy enough that there would have been a significant difference had any of us married somebody that made 50k or 35k for that matter. Later on in life this might translate to a 50k to 100k per year differential for the vast majority of people, but it's much easier to move from the 35k to 150k level (all you have to do is choose the right education) than it is to move from the 150k to 300k level (which, let's not kid ourselves, is still upper middle class around here [with a salary like this you'll still have to work unless you've invested wisely]).

    I also think that this is a great time for women. Women are more financially independent, educated, and better represented higher up in the career latter than they were 20 years ago. Has the quality of men declined? I don't know, but the gap between men, and women for this particular measure of "quality" has certainly gotten smaller. These issues could be related. With women entering the workplace we have qualified women displacing some previously qualified men, so let's say half of 40% of the male population is no longer quality, and 40% of the female population now is. If half of this "non-quality" male segment of the population would have been qualified 30 years ago, but no longer is, I guess there could be a genuine argument for stating that the quality of men (wrt available resources[?]) has actually declined, (and that the "quality" of the population as a whole has probably increased).

    As for men needing women. I'm not really sure about this one. I certainly need my girlfriend, but anything can happen, and if we broke up, I would be fine in a week. I think that most men don't really need women for companionship, and a lot of them actually prefer purely sexual relationships through their youth and middle adulthood. Now "a lot" is an ambiguous term, and I don't have any hard numbers, only anecdotal evidence, but I see a lot of women in their mid to late 30s that are coming to terms with the fact that there is a chance that they will never find love, or have children. The more highly educated ones (excluding MBAs) also tend to have a harder time developing relationships, probably resulting from time constraints. The one thing that I do notice however, is that women never stop looking for a relationship. If they haven't developed one in their 30, they continue trying through their 40s, and so on.

    I would also think that raising a child on your own would be a very lonely task, but my mother handled it reasonably well so I guess there are those people that would welcome such a challenge.
    I agree with a lot of what you say, however, I do not agree that younger men are less hurt when they break up from a relationship. I have seen study that say often times they are more hurt. Women are more likely to want to be in a relationship when single, but men are more emotionally hurt for longer when they break up. Thats what the studies have shown.

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    women need to be hot
    men need to be rich.

    Folks, it's simple. Don't sweat too much

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    i like your philosophy i am gonna try it out this saturday

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    Quote Originally Posted by I want Daytona View Post
    women need to be hot
    men need to be rich.

    Folks, it's simple. Don't sweat too much
    LOL. This is sad, but it seems to be true now.

    Most of the women I knew before I met my wife were vapid gold digging whores, for lack of a better term. It only seems to be getting worse according to my friends in the dating scene still. It seems like the amount of women glued to their Facebook/Twitter/Myspace accounts and posting inane garbage from their phones goes up exponentially every day, and the ages that deem this acceptable behavior continues to increase as well.

    If I am outside my normal social circles with my wife and I am talking to a group of people where the topic strays towards what we all do for a living, most women my age seem to think an Exploration Geologist is someone who digs up dinosaurs or is a school teacher. It's really pretty sad. The amount of focus that is put on flash these days, instead of substance is fairly disconcerting to say the least. Feels very much like what the prequel of Idiocracy would be like.
    On the road to recovery.

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    The women hot/men rich standard is a sign of social decline. Both are legitimate signifiers of a good mate, I suppose, but if this is what it ultimately comes down to, society is in a pretty sorry state. Wealth and attractiveness have always played a big role in determining marriages, but used to be bolstered by a lot of other factors (like family alliances or social position) that were unquestionably overconstraining and stifling (read any Jane Austen novel, for instance), but helped ensure social stability. Without it we are just a buch of atomized materialistic pleasure-seekers living in isolated little boxes and getting most of our pleasure digitally or chemically. Sad indeed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pascal1976 View Post
    The women hot/men rich standard is a sign of social decline. Both are legitimate signifiers of a good mate, I suppose, but if this is what it ultimately comes down to, society is in a pretty sorry state. Wealth and attractiveness have always played a big role in determining marriages, but used to be bolstered by a lot of other factors (like family alliances or social position) that were unquestionably overconstraining and stifling (read any Jane Austen novel, for instance), but helped ensure social stability. Without it we are just a buch of atomized materialistic pleasure-seekers living in isolated little boxes and getting most of our pleasure digitally or chemically. Sad indeed...
    This is intriguing if you mean what think you mean, which you may not. It sounds as if you think that unless you marry for those old social norms, which ensure social stability read: class stratification (e.g. a caste system), then the marriage is essentially worthless, a sign of societal decline if nothing else. Is this what you mean? Are those mores the sole purpose of marriage or should they be the sole purpose?
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