Me And A Gun

[Posh]

Posh-

My point exactly. Maybe I didn't make my post clear enough.

There is enough guidance in those kid's lives that they would strap on 10 pounds of Semtex and some ball bearings and go high order in a crowd. Is that acceptable behavior in a normal society? Of course not. But they have someone to look up to and emulate.

My value systems vice their father's are most definitely different. I do not instill hate in my child towards anybody. I've even gone so far as to tell him, and explain to him, that those who are shooting at me here are doing what they think is right for their country and should be respected. My son gives no thought to skin color, religion or nationality whatsoever and brags he has Iraqi friends (my interpreters talk to him on Yahoo when I am on). It's sunk in too, something he'll carry for life.

My job takes me all over the planet. I could turn down GS15 pay and go back to being a police officer at 1/12th the salary. Then again there goes his basic education (back to NC), our home in NY (where my wife and I were raised), his private high school (Chaminade) and quite a few other things.

I know of very few people who would walk away from 150 a year to go back to 25 a year. 3 years of separation for a lifetime of benefit seems a fair trade.

Taking lives so your family can have more stuff with the money? Sounds reasonable to me. As much as I am all about education and knowledge at any price, I don't think killing people for it is the best route.

How about scholarships, living somewhere less expensive and budgeting by (gasp!) not buying a bunch of replica watches?

[Guanaco]

Taking lives so your family can have more stuff with the money? Sounds reasonable to me. As much as I am all about education and knowledge at any price, I don't think killing people for it is the best route.

How about scholarships, living somewhere less expensive and budgeting by (gasp!) not buying a bunch of replica watches?

I'm sorry, but the things he's killing are not people, I consider insurgents scum, cowards and terrorists. He's making an honest living defending his country.

[Posh]

I'm sorry, but the things he's killing are not people, I consider insurgents scum, cowards and terrorists. He's making an honest living defending his country.

Whoa. If he's not killing another human being, then what is he killing? They're not stuffed animals. They are people, regardless of how you feel about them. They have families, hopes and dreams too.

[Guanaco]

Whoa. If he's not killing another human being, then what is he killing? They're not stuffed animals. They are people, regardless of how you feel about them. They have families, hopes and dreams too.

Their hopes and aspirations are pretty much killing U.S. soldiers and jihading... so much for their happy hopes and dreams.

I say kill them before they kill anyone.

Oh and those were the same 'humans' beheading/executing innocent people. So much for being human.

[painm8ker]

I'm sorry, but the things he's killing are not people, I consider insurgents scum, cowards and terrorists. He's making an honest living defending his country.

Guanaco,

Good and bad are all about perspective, the good Iraqis today were bad Iraqis a couple years ago when we were attacking them, the insurgents today may be on our side in another couple years.They are people just like our guys fighting for what they believe is right. Maybe they are misguided but its out of ignorance or just being wrong its not malice or evil.

George Washington would have been called an insurgent if he lost. Remember the Trenton thing where he snuck in the hessian camp in the middle of the night and killed them in their sleep?

That's what real war is killing good people because because we are to stupid to think of another way. That's why so many soldiers feel so much guilt when they come home.

[Guanaco]

Guanaco,

Good and bad are all about perspective, the good Iraqis today were bad Iraqis a couple years ago when we were attacking them, the insurgents today may be on our side in another couple years.They are people just like our guys fighting for what they believe is right. Maybe they are misguided but its out of ignorance or just being wrong its not malice or evil.

George Washington would have been called an insurgent if he lost. Remember the Trenton thing where he snuck in the hessian camp in the middle of the night and killed them in their sleep?

That's what real war is killing good people because because we are to stupid to think of another way. That's why so many soldiers feel so much guilt when they come home.

You have a good point, however these extremists take it too far to be considered human, at least by me, killing innocents in such a cruel way.

[painm8ker]

You have a good point, however these extremists take it too far to be considered human, at least by me, killing innocents in such a cruel way.

Agreed, but keep in mind the guys who kill Innocents are a very small percentage and the definition of Innocent is again a mater of perspective. in 1944 the US Bombed Dresden in Germany and killed 80,000 civilians in one series of raids. Not to mention the Atomic bombings in Japan. Were the tens of thousands of children kill in those bombings innocent? The pilots went home and kissed their kids. its not black and white. People don't generally come in Good and Bad varieties.

[Guanaco]

Agreed, but keep in mind the guys who kill Innocents are a very small percentage and the definition of Innocent is again a mater of perspective. in 1944 the US Bombed Dresden in Germany and killed 80,000 civilians in one series of raids. Not to mention the Atomic bombings in Japan. Were the tens of thousands of children kill in those bombings innocent? The pilots went home and kissed their kids. its not black and white. People don't generally come in Good and Bad varieties.

Bomb = instant death and no suffering.

Slicing someone's head.... ouch.

Looking at what you said, the bombings had some serious collateral damage, and I can't argue and say that was a good thing. But the targets weren't the civilians. I just believe that someone who kills innocents just because they're from a certain nationality, sex, sexual preference, race or religion is just plain wrong; Take the reporters or truck drivers that got executed for example, why them? Why in such a cruel way? No mate, those insurgents are scum.

[Posh]

Bomb = instant death and no suffering.

Slicing someone's head.... ouch.

Looking at what you said, the bombings had some serious collateral damage, and I can't argue and say that was a good thing. But the targets weren't the civilians. I just believe that someone who kills innocents just because they're from a certain nationality, sex, sexual preference, race or religion is just plain wrong; Take the reporters or truck drivers that got executed for example, why them? Why in such a cruel way? No mate, those insurgents are scum.

A human being is not "collateral damage." These are real people with real feelings and real emotions and real families. Remember that. Everybody's has a life.

I'm anti-war anyway in addition to being anti-gun. However, I'm pro-life. If you don't wanna die, Saint Posh will review your application.

[painm8ker]

Bomb = instant death and no suffering.

Slicing someone's head.... ouch.

Looking at what you said, the bombings had some serious collateral damage, and I can't argue and say that was a good thing. But the targets weren't the civilians.

Yes the civilians were the target, its called strategic bombing, undermine the enemies ability to wage war by destroying his industrial capabilities

I just believe that someone who kills innocents just because they're from a certain nationality, sex, sexual preference, race or religion is just plain wrong; Take the reporters or truck drivers that got executed for example, why them? Why in such a cruel way? No mate, those insurgents are scum.

Um, all war is about nationality isn't it?

[DVS]

Bomb = instant death and no suffering.

Slicing someone's head.... ouch.

Have you ever been to Nagasaki or Hiroshima?

I have been there and talked with a lot of survivors of the Nagasaki bombing. Trust me, you would rather have someone slice off your head..

Most of the survivors have been living in constant pain, waiting to die.. They lost everything and everyone..

I've met a man who lost his entire family in one week. Each one of his brothers and sisters died, day after day because of the radiaton.

The effects of the bombing are still present today!!