Me And A Gun

[stolikat]

ready for the bin!

[rattlerviper]

Wow I come home from work to find this thread! There are some amazing truths to be seen in this thread. It would apear that those that live in large cities on the east coast or west coast don't think that any of us that live in between them could possible have a legitimate use for a firearm.
How about shooting coyotes that are running rampant through my neighborhood eating cats and small dogs? Is that a legit use?

How about protecting my children from cougar attacks when I take them out camping. Yes people in the USA are attacked by cougars and black bear.

How about growing up on a cattle ranch in Nebraska and having to shoot coyotes that were eating our calves in the spring? Is that legit?

How about when someone is trying to break into my house and I call 911 and they tell me it will be about 45 minutes until a police officer can arrive because that is how far out the closest officer is.

I have lived and been in all these and more "legit" reasons for gun ownership. Before the left coast and the right coast talk about America and maybe they should actually visit it sometime.

[Anubis]

I live in Philadelphia, a large East Coast city. I own a few guns that I regularly shoot.

Where's your argument now?

Allow me to demonstrate something incredibly funny about plenary or absolutist statements.

It only takes 1 contrary case to turn them to dust.

Regards,

A

It would apear that those that live in large cities on the east coast or west coast don't think that any of us that live in between them could possible have a legitimate use for a firearm.

[LoganX3]

ok, I've come to the conclusion that there's only one way to settle all of this.

We all go down to the range.
10 shots each, best score wins.

Either that... or a dance off.

[rattlerviper]

I live in Philadelphia, a large East Coast city. I own a few guns that I regularly shoot.

Where's your argument now?

Allow me to demonstrate something incredibly funny about plenary or absolutist statements.

It only takes 1 contrary case to turn them to dust.

Regards,

A

Your 100% right...Though I didn't mean my statement as a absolute. It's also clear that it came out as a 100% absolute. (This forum does not have a spell check does it?).

Anyhow I'm better now! I actually went and read about some watches and feel much better...Generally when I want to talk guns I go to a gun forum...And I just don't talk politics for the most part.

Cheers

[Kollektor]

ok, I've come to the conclusion that there's only one way to settle all of this.

We all go down to the range.
10 shots each, best score wins.

Either that... or a dance off.

I put my GB on LifterCatcher...

[LoganX3]

Generally when I want to talk guns I go to a gun forum...

good point...

[Kollektor]

...And I just don't talk politics for the most part.

Sage advice!

[$~mLuMaN83~$]

Our world is currently in bad shape. But I also think things are in a very big change as far as this planet evolving to a higher level.

In 30 years dont say I didnt tell you so.

BIG changes are coming.

[stolikat]

Our world is currently in bad shape. But I also think things are in a very big change as far as this planet evolving to a higher level.

In 30 years dont say I didnt tell you so.

BIG changes are coming.

One direction or another luman yes change is coming. I must say the cards are already stacking in one direction.

[Kollektor]

Stoli, another quote... "Man plans and God laughs." Not meant to be a religious apothegm... just that life can be pretty ironic.

[stolikat]

Stoli, another quote... "Man plans and God laughs." Not meant to be a religious apothegm... just that life can be pretty ironic.

Not "can be" but "is"!

[Brightlight]

This is just simply not a true statement.

Hmmm, let's see. Can you mend bicycles with them? Cut cheese, hammer in nails, fix holes in the roof,? Put holes in watch straps, light fires, write letters? Nope?

I'm afraid their primary purpose is to kill. Whether you use them for target shooting (so you have the ability to kill at a greater distance or with more accuracy) is of no consequence.

Unless you know different of course. If you do, share it with us, don't just say a statement isn't true.

[Guanaco]

Hmmm, let's see. Can you mend bicycles with them? Cut cheese, hammer in nails, fix holes in the roof,? Put holes in watch straps, light fires, write letters? Nope?

I'm afraid their primary purpose is to kill. Whether you use them for target shooting (so you have the ability to kill at a greater distance or with more accuracy) is of no consequence.

Unless you know different of course. If you do, share it with us, don't just say a statement isn't true.

Well you CAN put holes in a watch strap using a gun, that wouldn't be a problem.

Guns... some like them some don't, and discussing about it is as pointless as asking who's better, Republicans or Democrats because it's always a 50/50 choice. And like I've said before, the 3 main purposes of guns are: Hunting, Self-Defense and target practice. If you want to use them to kill someone in malice, then that's your deranged choice.

[stolikat]

Hmmm, let's see. Can you mend bicycles with them? Cut cheese, hammer in nails, fix holes in the roof,? Put holes in watch straps, light fires, write letters? Nope?

I'm afraid their primary purpose is to kill. Whether you use them for target shooting (so you have the ability to kill at a greater distance or with more accuracy) is of no consequence.

Unless you know different of course. If you do, share it with us, don't just say a statement isn't true.

I am growing tired of this type of idiotic dribble. Who gives a **** if the end purpose is to kill! Beings must be killed on this planet so that other beings may live.

The firearm is a tool, it has been for several hundred years and will be for the rest of all of our lives. There are many people who live in rural areas and can not survive without one.

This thread is the usual posh crapolla and has wasted much of my night. If I wanted to fight this fight I would do it on another forum.

I dont come to repgeek to have this dribble pushed in my face.

[Brightlight]

Wow I come home from work to find this thread! There are some amazing truths to be seen in this thread. It would apear that those that live in large cities on the east coast or west coast don't think that any of us that live in between them could possible have a legitimate use for a firearm.
How about shooting coyotes that are running rampant through my neighborhood eating cats and small dogs? Is that a legit use?

How about protecting my children from cougar attacks when I take them out camping. Yes people in the USA are attacked by cougars and black bear.

How about growing up on a cattle ranch in Nebraska and having to shoot coyotes that were eating our calves in the spring? Is that legit?

How about when someone is trying to break into my house and I call 911 and they tell me it will be about 45 minutes until a police officer can arrive because that is how far out the closest officer is.

I have lived and been in all these and more "legit" reasons for gun ownership. Before the left coast and the right coast talk about America and maybe they should actually visit it sometime.

Have you tried talking to these coyotes and explaining that your need for land and food is greater than theirs, and that it is just plain wrong and unchristian to kill young calves?

No of course there are legitimate reasons for owning guns, though I think these are much exaggerated and used to justify gun ownership. I have camped in the african bush where believe me the game can be just as anti human as your cougars and bears, and you have to have a pretty big gun to deal with a rampaging elephant or a hippo where you are between it and the water. But in that situation shooting is the last resort. In fact most african tribes do not have guns, the most they will carry for protection is a spear. It is a case of knowing and understanding the dangerous animals and treating them with respect.

[Brightlight]

I am growing tired of this type of idiotic dribble. Who gives a **** if the end purpose is to kill! Beings must be killed on this planet so that other beings may live.

The firearm is a tool, it has been for several hundred years and will be for the rest of all of our lives. There are many people who live in rural areas and can not survive without one.

This thread is the usual posh crapolla and has wasted much of my night. If I wanted to fight this fight I would do it on another forum.

I dont come to repgeek to have this dribble pushed in my face.

So that's your justification? Beings must be killed so other beings may live?

As to dribble, no-one is forcing you, least of all at gunpoint, to read this thread. If you don't like it why have you let it waste much of your night? Just walk away brother.

[stolikat]

So that's your justification? Beings must be killed so other beings may live?

As to dribble, no-one is forcing you, least of all at gunpoint, to read this thread. If you don't like it why have you let it waste much of your night? Just walk away brother.

Oh but I must respond to idiocy. You are totally out of touch with reality. What are you trying to get across by your posts? They are total fantasy. You must be a vegan.

The world is decending into chaos. I bid you well. My HK-91 will be strapped to my side and when you come running to me for help just hope it is not on deaf ears.

[Guanaco]

There are more good reasons to own a gun than to not own one and that's the truth whether some of you like it or not.

[rattlerviper]

[QUOTE=Brightlight;440334]Have you tried talking to these coyotes and explaining that your need for land and food is greater than theirs, and that it is just plain wrong and unchristian to kill young calves?

QUOTE]No I do not try to talk to the coyotes, the bang of my .22-250 gets the message across just fine. Christian? What does Christianity have to do with this?

I also own guns because what happened to my relatives in the past in Europe must never be allowed to happen again at any cost. The first thing Hitler did was take weapons away. Then he proceded to try to kill us all off. Thanks but I won't trust any goverment that tells me to give up my guns and they will protect me.

[capt_cope]

So much stupidity in this thread.

Amazing how so many of us trick our guns to do things they aren't intended to do! Now that I know the only purpose of a gun is to kill people I'm shocked it even goes bang when I'm shooting at a piece of paper 500 yards away. Not to mention the coyotes, grouse, pheasants, rabbits, and deer. Be nice guys don't tell my guns the truth or they might stop working.

When you start out with these ridiculous arguments, like "the only purpose for guns is to kill people" or "Guns cause kids to have horrible lives and kill people" you not only set yourselves up for failure, you look mighty stupid in the act. You've effectively lost the battle with your first strike.

[stolikat]

So much stupidity in this thread.

Amazing how so many of us trick our guns to do things they aren't intended to do! Now that I know the only purpose of a gun is to kill people I'm shocked it even goes bang when I'm shooting at a piece of paper 500 yards away. Not to mention the coyotes, grouse, pheasants, rabbits, and deer. Be nice guys don't tell my guns the truth or they might stop working.

When you start out with these ridiculous arguments, like "the only purpose for guns is to kill people" or "Guns cause kids to have horrible lives and kill people" you not only set yourselves up for failure, you look mighty stupid in the act. You've effectively lost the battle with your first strike.

Hear Hear!!

[marco130]

You're thousands of miles away from your child, and you're away from the most formative years of your child willingly, by choice which is AMAZING to me.

About an hour ago I read post #1. I've caught up.

I respect differing viewpoints.

One of the reasons I enjoy it even if I don't agree with it is that I'm reminded of how great the first amendment is.
We do not have a perfect country by no means, but having lived in several countries and having visited others IMHO we have one of the best ones going.

There are countries in this world that not only would forbid you from speaking your mind, they would give you a first hand view of your argument.
This quote is where you jumped the shark.
What SFA and thousands of others are doing for their families and friends, they are also doing for you.
Freedom is not free.
If your not going to appreciate the gift that these people give you at least try to show some respect.
I had a Sgt. Major tell me once, "The Army comes before your family!"
I disagree. My family is why I served.

[Brightlight]

So much stupidity in this thread.

Amazing how so many of us trick our guns to do things they aren't intended to do! Now that I know the only purpose of a gun is to kill people I'm shocked it even goes bang when I'm shooting at a piece of paper 500 yards away. Not to mention the coyotes, grouse, pheasants, rabbits, and deer. Be nice guys don't tell my guns the truth or they might stop working.

When you start out with these ridiculous arguments, like "the only purpose for guns is to kill people" or "Guns cause kids to have horrible lives and kill people" you not only set yourselves up for failure, you look mighty stupid in the act. You've effectively lost the battle with your first strike.

Agree with you about so much stupidity in this thread.

However, when you start out not recognising that guns were, from the very first, invented and designed to kill people (Yes I know you can kill animals with them, I know you can go target shooting, but their principal purpose always has been to kill people) you've lost the plot in an attempt to convince youself that guns are therefore totally acceptable. You also make the mistake of assuming that people who are anti gun do so from the point of view of ignorance, something I would strongly dispute in my case, or are anti ALL gun use, not the case at all. However I would guess that no amount of argument would change your mind as you are steeped in the US gun culture from childhood. Perhaps if you lived for a time in another country where guns were not common you might then understand.

In the UK, we had a school shooting back in the 90's at Dunblane, where a nutter went into a school and killed 16 kids and 1 adult before killing himself. I believe these guns were legally owned. Subsequent legislation to control gun ownership was put in place. This may or may not be the reason we have not had a repeat of this occurrence. Yes we do have a minor problem with illegal guns in some of our inner cities, and the shooting of teenagers, but this is largely a certain section of the community (it would be politically incorrect for me to identify them) involved in teenage gang warfare, and the killings are largely confined to this group.

I tend to feel that the easier it is for people to kill, particularly those who are mentally disturbed, whether through mental illness or temporary insanity due to an emotional disturbance or the like, and killing with a gun is much easier than bludgeoning someone to death with a hammer or getting close enough to stick a knife through their ribs, the higher the rate of homicide will be. The US has approximately two and a half times the number of homicides per head of population than the UK or virtually all of Europe does.

[DVS]

Bomb = instant death and no suffering.

Slicing someone's head.... ouch.

Have you ever been to Nagasaki or Hiroshima?

I have been there and talked with a lot of survivors of the Nagasaki bombing. Trust me, you would rather have someone slice off your head..

Most of the survivors have been living in constant pain, waiting to die.. They lost everything and everyone..

I've met a man who lost his entire family in one week. Each one of his brothers and sisters died, day after day because of the radiaton.

The effects of the bombing are still present today!!