Since PP gifts aren't actually banned ...

[RWS]

I'm thinking that you as many (including myself) were only saying (although by different words) that the buyer would assume the fees, and I'm also sure that if on any of those sales you mention the buyer would have said that he would preffer to take the fees and pay as goods you would also have taken that option with no problems. You as the majority of the sellers here are honest members that accurately describe what they are selling and have no intention of deceiving or scamming anyone.
I'm sure that anyone that has seen your sales threads, dealt with you, or know you from the forums has no doubts towards your integrity as a seller.

Exactly, I would have no problem at all with the buyer paying the fees. In fact who wouldn't (unless they are intentionally trying to pull a fast one). I actually have an ongoing incident now where a buyer wants a refund for a watch which was exactly as described and there was full disclosure and pictures, etc.. In fact the buyer knows he is in the wrong and admits it, but still insists on a refund. I do not agree with the way it was handled and I would never go about it that way, but no matter how I feel, I would much rather not leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. I am refunding the dude. Luckily for him, I am a nice guy.....LOL. Paying as a gift in this instance did not end up biting the dude in the ass because most people would not refund in this instance. I will now instead give the buyer the option too pay as a gift or cover the fees and I will only do this privately in discussions with them. Thanks for the thread Drhulee!

[elisiX]

Is it really so damn hard to simply include the PP fee within the price? Same crap except you're able to start a claim.

I'm against PP as gift.

+ eleventy billion... fu*k

It's completely ridiculous when you weight up the downsides of this form of payment.

[realreplica]

I'm a new member here and I can only say that I much preffer to have a trade place with rules and safeguards than one that is free of those.

[txcollector]

I think all sale prices should have PP fees included.

If I were you just report the tread and let the admins/mods add the warning against gift if they want to.

[Dave123]

You should be asking why your dealers do not participate on the forum,frankly. This is a much bigger issue i would think.

To earn your money they should be posting here,Josh and all (i know the Josh thing is coming).

After the dealers being banned at RWI when the 2nd forum owner (same as the first) became a dealer,all dealers became ghosts around the forums,that clown has since decided it was a mistake,though the memberships of the forums have suffered. I take no sides and the dealers that dont want to participate should go,all replaced with those that want to earn your money. The dealers use to be active daily,they should be today or replaced,why no interest,guys?...

Why is that not mentioned?....just nickel and dime stuff is the topic......

[Drhulee]

I think all sale prices should have PP fees included.

If I were you just report the tread and let the admins/mods add the warning against gift if they want to.

The problem is, reporting isn't really appropriate, as requesting PP gift payments is not banned.

[realreplica]

They are more of a 'group of few' actually. 1-20,000 left long ago,you missed it. Thats what i'm trying to say.

But you are right,you are fighting the good fight.

Just be carefull guys,buy and sell from the trusted,and trusted by yourself,nobody else,and by your rules. That seems to be the way it is today.

Good luck.

I'm part of this "new breed" and honestly I don't see anything wrong with having rules and guidelines to safeguard both buyers and sellers on trades, by the contrary.

If I'm buying something online or not I buy by my rules, I buy by my price, I buy when I feel confortable with it not by the sellers rules, after all he's the one selling and I don't have to buy anything from him by his terms if I don't feel confortable in doing so.
You're talking about the way it is today... it seems like you want a forum where everyone trusts everyone else and where sellers can freely dictate their rules. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a world where we could trust everyone? Wouldn't it be nice that every single human being would be honest and trustworty? Wouldn't it be nice if there was no need for wars in the middle east? Wouldn't it be nice that in this day and age people wouldn't have to suffer from famine in certain regions?
Dave mate with all due respect wake up, thats utopic, that is not the case, never has been the case and never will be the case, there are scumbags everywhere and unfortunately they will find their way here if they think they can take advantage of us.
If you can limit these by introducing a few simple rules, then please do, although the sales area might loose a few sales from some people that can't be bothered with posting, honestly these are people that even if they are honest and trustworthy, bring very little to the community other than maybe a nice watch every now and again for sale.

[Dave123]

The problem is, reporting isn't really appropriate, as requesting PP gift payments is not banned.

As buyers and sellers you set your own payment methods.

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[Dave123]

If I'm buying something online or not I buy by my rules, I buy by my price, I buy when I feel confortable with it not by the sellers rules, after all he's the one selling and I don't have to buy anything from him by his terms if I don't feel confortable in doing so.

Going to have to look back to see where the problem is.

Buy or dont sounds right to me?...,but then again i only buy from dealers when it comes to these watches,there is not enough to be saved by not doing so....

[realreplica]

So Dave if you only buy from dealers what are you trying to say? Sorry bro but I don't really understand. It seems to me that you advocate for the forum to be open freely to all types of payments maybe even WU but then again you don't trust the sellers to buy from them?

[moleng1]

Just so everyone knows, paypal monitors it's "gift" payments. If you are found to be abusing this method of payment your account will be frozen or terminated. It is also not allowed under paypal rules to ask for pp fees as part of your sale. Build the damn fees in people, how freakin hard is this to do?? I use my paypal almost daily, and in a lot more places than RG. I will not jepordize my pp account by doing either of these two things. I still don't understand why our Admins don't just outright ban both these practices.

[txcollector]

The problem is, reporting isn't really appropriate, as requesting PP gift payments is not banned.

That's why the admins/mods will handle it. Reporting will just bring to their attention. If there's any action to be taken it's in their court.

BTW, that thread you mentioned seems to be gone due to pp as gift.

[PatronSaintofChainsaws]

After the dealers being banned at RWI when the 2nd forum owner (same as the first) became a dealer,all dealers became ghosts around the forums,that clown has since decided it was a mistake,though the memberships of the forums have suffered. I take no sides and the dealers that dont want to participate should go,all replaced with those that want to earn your money.

Funny enough, now that guy is no longer a dealer, and suddenly Josh and Andrew are no longer censored from being mentioned on that forum. Go figure.

[txcollector]

Funny enough, now that guy is no longer a dealer, and suddenly Josh and Andrew are no longer censored from being mentioned on that forum. Go figure.

I find it strange when rep forums become more focused on trade then information sharing. I hope they can find their way back.

[4000ft]

I find it strange when rep forums become more focused on trade then information sharing. I hope they can find their way back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

[jerobe7]

yeah, I agree. I've asked many of the pros about simple things like case moding techniques, or small part procurement... and they go un-answered.... But they have no problems replying to request about their expensive, highly moded reps up for sale.

[Drhulee]

yeah, I agree. I've asked many of the pros about simple things like case moding techniques, or small part procurement... and they go un-answered.... But they have no problems replying to request about their expensive, highly moded reps up for sale.

You just have to be persistent, and bumping during rush hour times doesn't hurt either. You have to keep in mind that those who are looked at as "pros" probably also get a ton of PMs, so with that and just trying to browse the forum, they don't always have time to answer every question asked of them. Hel!, I'm no expert, yet I've found myself spending a couple hourse here and there just responding to PMs from members answering their questions, and trying to find information for them.

[4000ft]

Hel!, I'm no expert

You got that right!!!

jk

I would take drhulee's advice on anything!

[SFA437]

I guess not.

There was a time when Stan (WBK),Ruby,Josh,Trevor,Sead even (RG days,whats happened to him lately?)

They would post sales on a daily basis,many more dealers as well,i just mention a few.

The only scammers we had to worry about was the owner (s) of RWI,a different setup but frankly,the largest sales forum for members,you put up watches,bought as i posted above,simple. The sales forum they had for members made the sales forum here look like a night full of crickets. It was huge and mainly,problem free. There was the odd guy,but for the volume it was nothing,dealers and members selling freely,now it seems complicated.

Sorry man,i know you get offended by my posts and i dont post often anymore,but a whole new breed and i guess i see why our dealers dont post much anymore and our old members look in the background while you guys figure out how to deal with each other these days....

Back in the day I used to leave the doors to my house unlocked and would commonly leave my car running while I ran into 7-11.

Just sayin....

[techlogik]

Then use PP "Payment Owed" no fee and same thing.

[tomhorn]

Back in the day I used to leave the doors to my house unlocked and would commonly leave my car running while I ran into 7-11.

Just sayin....

... and with a kid in the car ...

I remember leaving my front door unlocked by accident last summer when I went out one night ... and feeling strange because I actually felt pleasantly surprised all my stuff was still in my house when I got home. It's a different world these days ...

If I actually got to vote I'd be for banning the practice, but I can understand why that hasn't happened yet. I think there has been enough public discussion that hopefully everyone now knows the risks.

[Sbrubb]

Well, immediately after my critical post, another member scolded me for adding the comment.

"Immediately": I happened to be reading the same thread as you. The timing was a coincidence. I guess you added the adjective for illustrative purposes.

"Scolded": If calling you out for suggesting something was "frowned upon" then I am guilty. PP as a gift isn't against the rules and until that changes I don't see why you felt the need to add that to the thread.

That thread had all kinds of other actual infractions that you were welcome to point out, but you stuck with your own personal hot button issue.

[Drhulee]

"Immediately": I happened to be reading the same thread as you. The timing was a coincidence. I guess you added the adjective for illustrative purposes.

I'm sure it was a coincidence, but how does that make the use of the word "immediately" wrong? Should I have said "within minutes", or "shortly after", or "in no time", etc.? If it makes you feel better, feel free to substitute them.

"Scolded": If calling you out for suggesting something was "frowned upon" then I am guilty. PP as a gift isn't against the rules and until that changes I don't see why you felt the need to add that to the thread.

Because if I had been a more timid member, I probably would have backed down and never posted on a sales thread again. Which is probably what you would have liked. But I'm definitely not timid, quite the opposite, plus I was in a bad mood, as I stated, so I added to the thread.

As I said in the sales thread, I was trying to be diplomatic, and just wanted to make the seller aware of the new rules. I created this thread, because afterwards I realized I probably could have worded it better. However, you may want to take note that the Admins/Mods removed the thread giving "No PP as gift" as the reason for doing so.

That thread had all kinds of other actual infractions that you were welcome to point out, but you stuck with your own personal hot button issue.

Damned right, my post, my choice of issue, thank you very much

[SFA437]

I see no issues with a member reminding potential buyers that PP "Gift" is at the buyers EXCLUSIVE risk and the Mod/Admin team frown HEAVILY on posting it in sales threads.

It's true

[rAc]

gift, not gift whatever.

I make it easy, since I can be trusted in a sale (duhr) I give the option, pay with gift or pay price +3%. Pretty simple, right?