Me And A Gun

[Posh]

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The point I am trying to make with disparate per-capita rates is rural areas tend to value self-reliance, personal responsibility, common sense (an apparently uncommon virtue) and strong family ties.

Urban areas typically value things like entitlement, reliance on government, abrogation of personal responsibility and refer to "baby-daddies" with pride vice a strong extended family.

This is a blanket generalization made precipitously; your views on urban areas is short-sighted and bigoted. I find country folk to be of the same quality as any city person. I found that out this summer. So you can take this generalization back to Long Island with you.

Violence in every form, not only firearm related, is a sociological issue tied to a breakdown in a societies mores, or more accurately a replacement of traditional mores with ones similar to those found at the time of the decline of Rome.

Personal indulgence above all else, instant gratification, "Do it if it feels good" are America's rallying cries now. We are satisfied with "bread and circuses", blind to what is happening to us as a society and a culture and heading rapidly downwards.

If you feel this is true, why do you want these people having access to guns, in any way shape, form or fashion? Knowing people are degenerate, stupid and reactionary should want you seeing them stripped of all weapons, especially those that shoot projectiles.

And these mores you speak of, you kill for them daily so don't knock them to hard. And I have sneaking suspicion you've allowed yourself to partake in all these "personal indulgences." Don't take the moral high road when it suits you; take it all the time.

[SFA437]

This is a blanket generalization made precipitously; your views on urban areas is short-sighted and bigoted. I find country folk to be of the same quality as any city person. I found that out this summer. So you can take this generalization back to Long Island with you.

It is indeed a generalization, as is the statement "guns serve no other purpose than to take human life". There is target shooting, CASS, IPSC, trap, skeet, hunting, visual deterrent (police) and mark of rank (military). You are welcome to make your generalizations and I'll stick with mine.

Urban areas tend to be cesspits of crime, rural areas much less so. There are reasons for that. I believe I stated them quite accurately butthey are based on my personal observations alone. Yours differ. The fact remains urban areas are significantly more crime ridden than rural areas and there are social reasons for it, not because there is something in the water in cities that is lacking in the countryside.

If you feel this is true, why do you want these people having access to guns, in any way shape, form or fashion? Knowing people are degenerate, stupid and reactionary should want you seeing them stripped of all weapons, especially those that shoot projectiles.

And these mores you speak of, you kill for them daily so don't knock them to hard. And I have sneaking suspicion you've allowed yourself to partake in all these "personal indulgences." Don't take the moral high road when it suits you; take it all the time.

I have never stated everyone should be allowed access to a firearm. Matter of fact I was exceptionally clear on the subject. I believe an individual should have the right to determine for themselves if they wish to own one and if they wish to own one- meet qualifications similar to and in some cases surpassing those of police officers/sheriffs deputies.

The fact is, as I have stated before, banning an item does not make it go away. Again, refer to the definition of the word criminal. Taken to it's core a criminal is one who does not obey the laws of the society in which he/she lives. Now why would a criminal obey a gun law when they do not obey laws against rape, murder, kidnapping, pedophilia, narcotics trafficking, assault, robbery or burglary?

As far as what I kill for, to say I do it for God & country or some moral reason is asinine. You, probably more than 99% of the members here, know what my job is.

Does it entail killing? Yes it does. It involves removing those from the planet those who would take an electric drill to a child's joints because they think the Imams should be elected rather than hereditary or vice versa. It involves depriving the worst humanity has to offer of oxygen. I've also said I am involved in counter-terror and not counter-insurgency work. An insurgent I respect, he is standing up for what he thinks is right and doing something about it. A terrorist is a coward who preys on the weak. Big difference.

It also involves quite a bit more than killing (see "Do Something Good Today" in the Off Topic section- with video!).

As far as my personal indulgences, on occasion my house has resembled a Bacchanalian Festival in high gear, however it is not the focus of my life, nor would it ever take precedence over any other aspect of my being. That is why the caveat "above all else" was added.

As for instant gratification, if I believed in the concept would be selling crack or meth or perhaps robbing Post Office registered mailbags and making 10 times what I currently draw in salary so you're quite off base on that one. Two things lead to gratification in my world, work and effort, and neither is instant.


If I cannot afford a good cigar, I do not steal one. If I want a nice car I save my money to purchase one and do not carjack one. If I am feeling horny I wait until I see my wife and do not grab and rape the first female who crosses my path. There are those who would prefer the latter solution to the former. I prefer the former. Big difference there. It is the presence of those who would choose the latter in our society that encourage me to carry arms.

As for "Do it if it feels good", I have never partaken of any illegal substance save marijuana back in high school. I would imagine a few lines of coke or smidgen of heroin is quite pleasant, however it is illegal and I refrain from it for that reason, if not for the addictive properties alone. I have alcoholics in my family and limit my intake of alcohol for that reason. Being intoxicated is quite a nice feeling. It feels good. I do not frequently inbibe sufficiently to become intoxicated due to possible consequences. Sorry, but you're wrong again.

Before guns, people managed to live and go about their lives.

As educated and articulate as you are, you are stating nobody was murdered until a firearm was invented? Absolute rubbish!

A woman living anywhere in the world, a world where men do and say the most despicable things, whether online or off, has to be a fighter. She doesn't need a gun to do it but it MIGHT help and it MIGHT not. And really if anybody needed a gun, it would be us women.

You've essentially proven my point for me. I am simply saying it should be a matter of individual choice to own a firearm or not. Also believe me when I say if someone with 1/10th of my training and ability was of the mind to hurt a woman (a good 90% of them anyway), even unarmed, a firearm would be the only way to end the situation.

The French in WWI were convinced elan and esprit de corps would carry them to victory. Will and spirit, I believe those words translate into.....then they met the invention of Hiram Maxim. Want to guess which one won the day?

[swissaddict]

@sfa: +1 on just about everything you wrote, and kudos for deconstructing fluffy flawed arguments (as "articulate" as they might appear to the emotional and untrained eye/mind) and presenting pretty darn good ones in response!

[Guanaco]

@sfa: +1 on just about everything you wrote, and kudos for deconstructing fluffy flawed arguments (as "articulate" as they might appear to the emotional and untrained eye/mind) and presenting pretty darn good ones in response!

Ditto. My hat's off sfa, excellent responses and comments in every way.