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Posh Cars That Go Boom: Detroit's... 11-14-2008, 10:59 PM
Pugwash Let GM die. They make... 11-14-2008, 11:05 PM
Posh They haven't ever really had... 11-14-2008, 11:11 PM
Pugwash Is GM really a... 11-14-2008, 11:22 PM
R2D4 This is a great idea and it's... 11-20-2008, 03:44 PM
MrZoSo Oh my. So you are saying it's... 11-15-2008, 09:24 PM
onzenuub Nice question Posh, because... 11-14-2008, 11:08 PM
Pugwash So, the US people should give... 11-14-2008, 11:12 PM
bpumod maybe we should just condense... 11-14-2008, 11:39 PM
BigWatchPilot I have many thoughts on this... 11-15-2008, 12:47 AM
$~mLuMaN83~$ I dont buy domestics and I... 11-14-2008, 11:15 PM
opak http://www.costaricapages.com/... 11-14-2008, 11:22 PM
Posh I dont buy domestics and I... 11-14-2008, 11:39 PM
Pugwash That would depend on the... 11-14-2008, 11:42 PM
Posh What exactly is wrong with... 11-15-2008, 12:29 AM
Pugwash If they're selling so well,... 11-15-2008, 12:34 AM
The_Monkey Wow, for once I actually... 11-15-2008, 04:08 AM
Triple-d Theirs nothing wrong with the... 11-15-2008, 06:32 AM
milesd Agreed. 11-15-2008, 06:11 PM
stockey Starting to give money to the... 11-15-2008, 06:19 PM
Triple-d If they file bankruptcy, it... 11-15-2008, 06:27 PM
BigWatchPilot Im with TD here...I think... 11-15-2008, 06:48 PM
The_Monkey Bankruptcy, even Chapter 11,... 11-15-2008, 08:45 PM
Jackjo I think it is pretty safe to... 11-16-2008, 05:49 AM
R2D4 Luman, I don't think your... 11-20-2008, 03:35 PM
louisruby i want to know why the big... 11-14-2008, 11:16 PM
$~mLuMaN83~$ The only dometics that I... 11-15-2008, 12:30 AM
rAc no. 11-15-2008, 01:08 AM
collector26 Throwing money at Detroit is... 11-15-2008, 01:22 AM
$~mLuMaN83~$ WOOO! Btw... Any word... 11-15-2008, 02:01 AM
Jetzeus The bailout is inevitable! ... 11-15-2008, 11:37 PM
tomhorn Unfortunately, bailing out... 11-15-2008, 02:02 AM
Dave123 I have owned 3 Trans Am's,1... 11-15-2008, 02:09 AM
$~mLuMaN83~$ Im sorry...The Vette is cool... 11-15-2008, 02:54 AM
stevie7s Bail 'em out. we can't afford... 11-15-2008, 03:10 AM
hustler I work in a shop for a Saturn... 11-15-2008, 03:34 AM
hustler stevie7s does bring up a... 11-15-2008, 03:48 AM
$~mLuMaN83~$ You know whats funny about... 11-15-2008, 05:28 PM
Dave123 Luman has his crystal ball... 11-15-2008, 05:57 PM
Triple-d :lol: :lol: :lol: 11-15-2008, 06:00 PM
$~mLuMaN83~$ Das right...I have a crystal... 11-15-2008, 06:03 PM
AustinTech I still haven't heard anyone... 11-15-2008, 09:11 PM
The_Monkey Actually they have good cars,... 11-15-2008, 10:35 PM
aximr Ok, I amazed what a short... 11-15-2008, 09:20 PM
Pugwash Yes we remember, it was a... 11-15-2008, 09:28 PM
AustinTech True. Except the part... 11-15-2008, 09:52 PM
Dave123 Yikes,a shoebox on... 11-15-2008, 09:57 PM
aximr GM and Ford have profitable... 11-16-2008, 02:43 AM
BigWatchPilot I think we have covered all... 11-16-2008, 03:58 AM
Pugwash Look at the cars they sell... 11-16-2008, 10:15 AM
AustinTech Uh, the fact that they need... 11-15-2008, 09:26 PM
MrZoSo BTW, my daily beater is an 06... 11-15-2008, 09:38 PM
MrZoSo You do realise that large... 11-15-2008, 11:39 PM
Pugwash That means people lie for... 11-16-2008, 12:21 AM
MrZoSo Pugwash wins. :p 11-16-2008, 12:55 AM
erd04056 GM needs to quit Michigan and... 11-16-2008, 04:47 AM
MrZoSo Chrysler and GM have been... 11-16-2008, 05:16 AM
SFA437 I LOVE the Sport Ka. Wish we... 11-16-2008, 11:58 AM
normanduke I can't think of one GM car... 11-17-2008, 07:28 AM
Posh I'm glad it stayed civil and... 11-17-2008, 11:42 AM
MrZoSo Posh...You have my personal... 11-18-2008, 12:03 AM
Posh Well, Mr. ZoSo, since I have... 11-18-2008, 12:50 AM
metricsgeek Great discussion. 50B...... 11-18-2008, 02:51 AM
Dave123 GM is not going... 11-18-2008, 03:10 AM
MrZoSo GM has the money today to pay... 11-18-2008, 03:48 PM
Blobe What would Joe The Plumber do... 11-18-2008, 04:14 PM
tick123 I feel like if we bail them... 11-20-2008, 03:47 AM
mingus2112 Any of you guys read Lee... 11-20-2008, 02:59 PM
mb7000 Posh, if you can take another... 12-11-2008, 02:25 AM
Posh I am going to take a look now... 12-11-2008, 02:51 AM
quizvan The key differentiator... 12-11-2008, 08:27 PM
Posh What a minute? I can have... 12-11-2008, 11:05 PM
tenacious_b I say bail them out for the... 12-15-2008, 10:52 PM
1%world I support the auto bailout... 01-16-2009, 01:58 PM
TEAMFATMAN Posh, I have been away for... 01-21-2009, 05:24 AM
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    If they file bankruptcy, it doesn't dissove the company. It holds of financial obligations, and gives them time to re-group.
    Maybe get a government loan to re-tool for efficent manufacturing, and more efficent cars.
    Pumping money into the same company's with no changes is endless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple-d View Post
    If they file bankruptcy, it doesn't dissove the company. It holds of financial obligations, and gives them time to re-group.
    Maybe get a government loan to re-tool for efficent manufacturing, and more efficent cars.
    Pumping money into the same company's with no changes is endless.
    Im with TD here...I think they need to go through with restructuring before we throw money at them. Throwing money at something is the core of American problem solving.

    As far was what the American car companies are making...in the 80's the big 3 were in the mind set, "It doesn't matter what we make, it could be a turd with wheels and they will buy it." They started falling behind in style, design, and innovation. The only thing new to come out of Detroit the last 20 years is the SUV.

    There is so much wast and overlap. Do we really need a Cadillac, GMC, and Chevy version of the same car? Each with 4 different packages and 100's of options? Yes I know Honda has Acura, Toyota has Lexus...but they don't look the same and you only have few options.

    The US car companies in my opinion have spent their time competing with each other rather than the rest of the world. I am sure in their minds there was no other competition. I think they should look at downsizing, eliminating some 'brand' names, and consider a merger to become more competitive in the world and the US. This happened in the aviation world more than once. ie; Boeing, McDonald/Douglas, Lockheed/Martin...and all of our European aircraft manufacturers.

    BWP...out of breath!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple-d View Post
    If they file bankruptcy, it doesn't dissove the company. It holds of financial obligations, and gives them time to re-group.
    Maybe get a government loan to re-tool for efficent manufacturing, and more efficent cars.
    Pumping money into the same company's with no changes is endless.
    Bankruptcy, even Chapter 11, will kill them... would you buy a car from a bankrupt company?

    You have to remember that most of the population makes no distinction between Chapter 11 (reorg) and Chapter 7 (liquidation) all they hear is "bankrupt". The headlines will be "GM declares bankruptcy" or "GM goes bankrupt" not "GM decides to reorganize"... that's a massive blow to consumer confidence on an item that they expect to be able to keep for five to ten years.

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    I think it is pretty safe to say the big three aren't going anywhere.

    Not sure exactly what the government will do for them or if it is the correct thing. But our leaders have never been too good at doing the "correct" thing.

    Besides, I really want a new Dodge Challenger but won't be able to till next year when the sale of my business is final.

    The U.S. auto makers are no doubt poorly managed but who says they build crappy cars. I have owned over a dozen in the last 15 years and had nothing but stellar performance out of all of them. I love the quality of some imports too but the U.S. auto makers have been on a roll when it comes to cool cars.

    Pretty tough to beat the styling of these three IMO! Not sure if this pertains to the conversation but I just wanted to post these cool rides!

    Take that!! Overpriced imports!!!



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