Me And A Gun

[superdave]

I understand your point but it's necessary to look at the bigger picture especially when dealing with kids and weapons. These toy guns are and expression of hatred, and that hatred is not something that parents alone are responsible for.

[Posh]

I understand your point but it's necessary to look at the bigger picture especially when dealing with kids and weapons. These toy guns are and expression of hatred, and that hatred is not something that parents alone are responsible for.

I didn't think I would have to point this out but they're not all toys and they're not all from one country.

There's Uruguay, Cambodia, Myanmar, Angola, Rwanda, United States, Slovenia, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Pakistan, India and Nepal. I asked for pictures from everywhere with guns that were real and toys. The toy guns look very similar to real guns; they aren't designed in unrealistic colors like red or yellow. You cannot tell and that's why I asked for the mix. Can you tell which are real and which are fake, besides the ones that are captioned as such?

[SFA437]

Can you tell which are real and which are fake, besides the ones that are captioned as such?

I can identify each and every toy, as well as the weapon it was based on- but I am somewhat uniquely qualified to do so

[Posh]

Lets say someone like me, with my degree of training was determined to kill you- even without a firearm. Let's say a knife, or even less offensive- a baseball bat. What is the best response?

Who's going to stand there and not try to defend their lives against imminent danger? You don't need a gun for that. Sometimes you need the strength and will to survive.

Shooting at the walls of heartache, bang bang. I AM the warrior.

So we do not have thieves, kidnappers, rapists and murderers in the United States? Thank GOD! All the cops can go home and we'll all sit around sipping decaf vente vanilla chais at Starbucks and share a group hug! Hallelujah- Paradise on Earth- right in downtown Washington DC (oh wait can't go there after dark- wonder why since we have no murderers, kidnappers or rapists).

Uh, DC isn't THAT bad. I feel safe there. I do know guy friends who have been mugged in Georgetown and Charles Village, Baltimore. In all honesty, the guys I know who got mugged could've been mugged by Elmo or Cookie Monster. I mean these are your typical yuppies or hipsters. They just have "victimize me" written all over them.

Me and my girls put on our b*tch face and go to town, without men around. You don't need a gun when you have on your b*tch face. You better recognize!

I was a cop for 13 years and the best thing going is an armed populace. Even Colin Ferguson stated he chose NY to go on a rampage because he KNEW nobody would have a firearm and be able to stop him. My wife carries a .38 Airweight and I feel better knowing she does. I will never subscribe to a theory that says it is perfectly OK for a 110 pound woman to fistfight a 280 pound rapist.

A gun is not going to stop a determined 280 pound man from raping a 110 pound woman. My mom has had patients who had guns, on their person and in their homes, and knew how to use them who were still victims of sexual assault, both by strangers and people they knew. She now has to help them cope with feelings powerlessness and fear. A few of these people now realize that a gun doesn't guarantee ANYTHING. And it's not because my mom told that's how they should feel; because my parents own ONE handgun (my mom's not a hypocritical member of the psychology field). I honestly don't think I've seen it since they bought it for "protection," at my father's behest.

A gun DOES NOT make you automatically safe. But that it does is what I hear from gun proponents all the time and there's evidence everywhere to the contrary. It provides "safety," a false sense of safety, yes. If you don't feel safe enough just armed with your wits, since most times that's all the "weapon" we have, then nothing is going to make you feel secure. I

As for my child, I would rather him be EDUCATED about firearms, to know their inherent destructive power and that people don't respawn after a .45 to the dome like in Call of Duty. I want him to look at a firearm as a tool

Um, I don't think most kids believe a gun "respawns" in real life like in the VIDEO GAME "Call of Duty."

A gun isn't a "tool." A band saw is a tool. A gun is an istrument designed and devised with only ONE real purpose: to destroy and end life. That's why they were invented and that's continue to be made. Why does everybody glass over this fact like it doesn't exist?

There's a LOT of money to be made in making things that destroy life instead of preserving it

[Posh]

This is a watch forum.

...and Posh, in my opinion, they gave you too much leash (latitude).

And another thing, why don't you just start your own blog? It's obvious that your rambling, self-indulgent threads are designed for your own inflated ego.

Start a blog and post a link with the address. Then, the poker playing, Poshists will follow you there and kiss your a$$ somewhere else in cyberspace.

This is a watch forum.

R

Oh. Okay. I see. The fact that there's a section of topics not pertaining to watches is okay as long as it's not mine.

I hope you're going into every thread that has nothing to do with watches and making sure they know to "stay on topic."

No? Just mine? I'm honored.

[razorphish]

Oh. Okay. I see. The fact that there's a section of topics not pertaining to watches is okay as long as it's not mine.

I hope you're going into every thread that has nothing to do with watches and making sure they know to "stay on topic."

No? Just mine? I'm honored.

No, this thread is posted under "General Replica Discussion". Your post does not discuss a replica - unless you count the photos of the toy guns. If that's the case, then some of the toy guns seem to be fine replicas. I value sfa's input on the matter considering he's an expert and stated he could identify the genuine on which they're based. However, that wasn't your point. Your point was to post a thread and vomit your opinion. Again, in a watch forum under the wrong sub-thread.

And WTF does a Tori Amos song have to do with it?

R

[SFA437]

Who's going to stand there and not try to defend their lives against imminent danger? You don't need a gun for that. Sometimes you need the strength and will to survive.

Shooting at the walls of heartache, bang bang. I AM the warrior.

Strength and the will to survive are a mindset and are the singular most important tool to surviving a violent encounter. There are however other tools. Everything from a kubotan to pepper spray to a firearm.

Stand in front of me while I shoot at you with a 357- all the will and strength in the world won't help. Quite simply you will die. If you run, you will die tired. If you move to cover and return fire you stand a chance.

Uh, DC isn't THAT bad. I feel safe there. I do know guy friends who have been mugged in Georgetown and Charles Village, Baltimore. In all honesty, the guys I know who got mugged could've been mugged by Elmo or Cookie Monster. I mean these are your typical yuppies or hipsters. They just have "victimize me" written all over them.

Me and my girls put on our ***** face and go to town, without men around. You don't need a gun when you have on your ***** face. You better recognize!

I chose DC because it consistently ranks, along with other cities where firearm ownership is restricted, in the top 10 per capita murder rates. Again you've touched on mindset. I've done details in Port Au Prince and Petionville Haiti unarmed and came out unscathed. Wasn't fun but a brain is your best weapon, everything else is secondary.

A gun is not going to stop a determined 280 pound man from raping a 110 pound woman. My mom has had patients who had guns, on their person and in their homes, and knew how to use them who were still victims of sexual assault, both by strangers and people they knew.

Again, mindset. Along with having the firearm, the person must also be mentally prepared to take human life. Not many people have that within them in the US due to social conditioning. I have seen 110 pound women and dead 280 pound rapists. I've also seen what you describe.

A few of these people now realize that a gun doesn't guarantee ANYTHING.

You are 100% correct. A firearm GUARANTEES nothing. What it does do is help to equalize a disparity in force. Notice I did not say it DOES equalize a disparity in force, just that it helps. Again mindset and training come into play here. Not just "I know how to load and unload it" or "I can put holes into paper" but proper training.

A gun DOES NOT make you automatically safe. But that it does is what I hear from gun proponents all the time and there's evidence everywhere to the contrary.

Nothing makes you automatically safe, nor have I ever said that. I take my evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigations Uniform Crime Report Annexes. 1.1 million defensive uses of firearms in 2006 (haven't seen 2007's stats since I'm where I am). That does not mean someone was shot- simply the presentation of the weapon in most cases dissuaded the skell from his/her chosen course of action.

If you don't feel safe enough just armed with your wits, since most times that's all the "weapon" we have, then nothing is going to make you feel secure.

So you propose I do patrols through Baghdad armed only with my wits? Surely you jest . Here's a question for you- if wits are enough, why do police officers carry firearms? Even better why does the Secret Service carry them? Surely you do not posit they have no wits about them....

A gun isn't a "tool." A band saw is a tool. A gun is an istrument designed and devised with only ONE real purpose: to destroy and end life. That's why they were invented and that's continue to be made. Why does everybody glass over this fact like it doesn't exist?

A firearm is indeed a tool. It is used to harvest game, it serves as a badge of office (a military officer's sidearm), it serves as a visual deterrent (a police officer's sidearm) and it serves to defend one against violence.

As for destroying life, there is something I instilled in every rookie I had on my range (over 400). In a deadly force incident, you do not shoot to kill. You shoot to live.

As I stated before, if I was not armed on numerous occasions I would be dead. I'm happy with the drugged out lunatic on the slab rather than me.

[Yggdrasil]

Not in any order: rocks/sharpened sticks/ax/arrows/spears/swords/cannon/Greek fire/trebuchet/guillotine/musket/shotgun/pistol/grenades/smart bombs/laser weapons/etc.


From the dawn of man there has been weapons. To create an efficient weapon that makes killing easier. There are many purposes of such weapons, violet crime is a misuse of the weapon. Responsibility lies in the user and the intent of the user. Whether it would be to kill a deer for game, sport, food, enjoyment, population control. To kill the dangerous armed intruder/criminal in your home. To apprehend a criminal, to use as deterrent for other forms of violent crime. Or in war to follow the objective of the commanders, to defend, to protect, to bring justice.

You may not agree, you may feel guns are useless and bad for humans. That is your right. But that right most likely was won at one point in time with weapons.

Guns are power, guns are as great a force in evil as they are good. It depends who is holding it.

[Guanaco]

Not in any order: rocks/sharpened sticks/ax/arrows/spears/swords/cannon/Greek fire/trebuchet/guillotine/musket/shotgun/pistol/grenades/smart bombs/laser weapons/etc.


From the dawn of man there has been weapons. To create an efficient weapon that makes killing easier. There are many purposes of such weapons, violet crime is a misuse of the weapon. Responsibility lies in the user and the intent of the user. Whether it would be to kill a deer for game, sport, food, enjoyment, population control. To kill the dangerous armed intruder/criminal in your home. To apprehend a criminal, to use as deterrent for other forms of violent crime. Or in war to follow the objective of the commanders, to defend, to protect, to bring justice.

You may not agree, you may feel guns are useless and bad for humans. That is your right. But that right most likely was won at one point in time with weapons.

Guns are power, guns are as great a force in evil as they are good. It depends who is holding it.

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